"To Fight Evil You Must Believe in Good" | Dr. Naledi Pandor

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In this powerful and heartfelt conversation with Omar Suleiman, Dr. Naledi Pandor, former South African Minister of International Relations and Cooperation, shares how embracing Islam later in life gave her a profound sense of courage and direction.

For Dr. Pandor, Islam is more than a religion—it’s a roadmap for how to live a life rooted in justice, compassion, and collective responsibility. Reflecting on her role as South Africa’s representative at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), she emphasizes that it was not just her, but the collective will of the South African government and its people that took a moral stand for Palestine.

She honors the legacy of South Africa’s anti-apartheid struggle, paying tribute to human rights defenders like Judge Desai, and explains why international solidarity is as essential today as it was then. Dr. Pandor urges young people not to lose hope or fall into self-interest—reminding us that if idealism had not existed, apartheid would never have ended.

In a world shaped by unipolar power and weakened multilateral institutions, she calls for bold leadership from the Global South. This is a moment, she says, not to remain silent—but to rise.

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