Jordan Peterson sits down with experimental cosmologist Dr. Brian Keating. They discuss the importance of awe for the human spirit, the fundamental ethos behind all true science, the idea of the useless genius, and the necessity of sacrifice for improvement of the self and the broader community.
Brian Keating is a Professor of Physics and an experimental cosmologist. He works on observations of the cosmic microwave background, the leftover heat from the Big Bang, and is the Principal Investigator of the Simons Observatory, located at a 17,000-foot elevation in the Chilean Atacama desert. He received his PhD from Brown in 2000 and is a distinguished professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego. He is the author of two books and has produced the first-ever audiobook by his intellectual hero, Galileo Galilei, “The Dialogue on Two World Systems.” He hosts the “INTO THE IMPOSSIBLE” podcast and teaches cosmology and astronomy at Peterson Academy. He is a Fellow of the American Physical Society, and in 2024, he was invested as a member of the American Academy of Sciences and Letters.
This episode was filmed on December 5th, 2024.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:35) Intro
(5:45) Dr. Brian Keating on Peterson Academy
(8:00) The night sky is an essential respite for the human spirit
(13:58) What intellectuals take for granted, replacing perception with presumption
(16:20) “The Learned Astronomer,” what Walt Whitman knew about the stars
(18:27) Maintaining wonder on the journey to professionalism, submission to the infinite game
(24:52) The Hebrew meaning of “wisdom” and “science”
(26:22) Useless geniuses: ethical orientation and intelligence do not correlate
(29:54) Short-term gains endanger the truth and scientific endeavor
(34:25) The moral obligation of publicly funded scientists
(40:30) Failure is an iteration toward success
(45:50) “Flaws lead to new laws,” the fundamental symmetry of the universe
(49:05) Diary of a CEO: searching for God
(51:02) “We Who Wrestle With God”: the upward-striving ethos behind all proper science
(59:54) Christian literacy and Sam Harris’ drift into Buddhism
(1:03:43) The cycle from slavery to freedom and back again
(1:08:10) There is no instruction manual, obligation and adventure
(1:13:22) What the Bar Mitzvah represents for young Jews
(1:16:03) The Postmodernists were correct about this, Piaget and sacrifice
(1:21:20) Confusing the image with the ineffable
(1:25:48) The signature of Galileo
(1:30:01) The day the universe formed (and the day before)
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