Dario Amodei: Anthropic CEO on Claude, AGI & the Future of AI & Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast #452

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Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability.
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*OUTLINE:*
0:00 - Introduction
3:14 - Scaling laws
12:20 - Limits of LLM scaling
20:45 - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta
26:08 - Claude
29:44 - Opus 3.5
34:30 - Sonnet 3.5
37:50 - Claude 4.0
42:02 - Criticism of Claude
54:49 - AI Safety Levels
1:05:37 - ASL-3 and ASL-4
1:09:40 - Computer use
1:19:35 - Government regulation of AI
1:38:24 - Hiring a great team
1:47:14 - Post-training
1:52:39 - Constitutional AI
1:58:05 - Machines of Loving Grace
2:17:11 - AGI timeline
2:29:46 - Programming
2:36:46 - Meaning of life
2:42:53 - Amanda Askell - Philosophy
2:45:21 - Programming advice for non-technical people
2:49:09 - Talking to Claude
3:05:41 - Prompt engineering
3:14:15 - Post-training
3:18:54 - Constitutional AI
3:23:48 - System prompts
3:29:54 - Is Claude getting dumber?
3:41:56 - Character training
3:42:56 - Nature of truth
3:47:32 - Optimal rate of failure
3:54:43 - AI consciousness
4:09:14 - AGI
4:17:52 - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability
4:22:44 - Features, Circuits, Universality
4:40:17 - Superposition
4:51:16 - Monosemanticity
4:58:08 - Scaling Monosemanticity
5:06:56 - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks
5:11:50 - Beauty of neural networks

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